Unlocking Trauma and Transformation: Dr. Richard LaBrie's Journey from Hollywood to Healing on the ANEW Body Insight Podcast

Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast, where we empower and inspire your journey to optimal health. Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, a clinical psychologist, registered dietitian, fitness expert, and author of "Deprogram Diet Culture: Rethink Your Relationship with Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free Life," and Chantal Donnelly, a physical therapist and author of "Settled: How to Find Calm in a Stress-Inducing World."

Join us at City Club Los Angeles as we explore the paths to optimal health with our guests, providing you with the keys to unlock your own wellness journey. Tune in and evolve with us.

Today, we are excited to have Dr. Richard LaBrie with us. Dr. LaBrie is a clinical psychologist based in Pasadena, California, working in private practice and providing psychotherapy to clients dealing with trauma, depression, anxiety, identity exploration, self-esteem, grief and loss, creative issues, and life transitions. He was also my postdoc supervisor and has played a crucial role in shaping the psychologist I am today.

Dr. LaBrie has also worked with Salas Solutions as a senior advisor in individual trauma, mass trauma, and behavioral and security issues for the FAA and the Department of Homeland Security. Welcome, Dr. LaBrie, to the City Club in downtown Los Angeles.

Dr. LaBrie has an extensive background in the entertainment industry, having been a writer, director, and film editor. He transitioned to clinical psychology after 35 years in the industry, driven by a desire for deeper, more reliable work. Despite enjoying success in his career, including working on the acclaimed show "Key and Peele," he sought something that matched his personal values and interests.

Inspired by his own positive experiences in therapy and his interest in philosophy, sociology, and the human experience, Dr. LaBrie pursued a doctorate in psychology at the age of 49. He received his license in 2016 and has been practicing since.

Dr. LaBrie's specialties include treating trauma, dissociative identity disorder (DID), grief and loss, and working with professionals and creative individuals. His approach is relational, psychodynamic, cognitive-behavioral, and somatic, tailored to each client's unique needs. He emphasizes creating a safe space for clients, often overcoming initial resistance from those hesitant to work with a male therapist.

Dr. LaBrie also shares his self-care strategies, including regular exercise, music, and maintaining a balanced caseload to avoid burnout. Find out more about Dr. LaBrie: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/richard-labrie-pasadena-ca/285229.

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Transcript

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Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast,

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empowering and inspiring your journey to optimal health.

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Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist,

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registered dietitian, fitness expert, and author of Deprogram Diet Culture:

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Rethink Your Relationship with Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free

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Life, and Chantal Donnelly, physical therapist and author of Settled:

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How to Find Calm in a Stress Inducing World.

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Here at City Club Los Angeles, we follow our guests’ journey to optimal

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health, providing you with the keys to unlock your own wellness path.

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Tune in and evolve with us.

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We're really excited to have Dr. Richard LaBrie here with us today.

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And I'm going to read you a little bit about Dr.  LaBrie.

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And then we're going to go into our questions for him.

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Does that sound good?

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Okay.

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So Dr. Richard LaBrie is a clinical psychologist in Pasadena, California.

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He primarily works in private practice providing psychotherapy

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to a variety of clients regarding trauma, depression, anxiety, identity

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exploration, self-esteem, grief and loss,

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creative issues and life transitions.

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He was also my postdoc supervisor

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and has personally, been responsible

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for creating the psychologist you see here today.

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he's also worked with Salas Solutions as a senior advisor in individual trauma,

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mass trauma and behavioral and security issues

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for the FAA and the Department of Homeland Security.

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so welcome to City Club, we’re in downtown Los Angeles,

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beautiful, beautiful city club, Dr, LaBrie. Yes.

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You have an extensive background in the entertainment industry.

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He used to be a writer, a director and a film editor.

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Can you tell us a little bit about how you made your transition away

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from the entertainment industry and towards clinical psychology?

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What was your inspiration?

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well, fear, age,

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anxiety and recognizing that sitting in an editing room

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or working in that field gives you a little bit of training

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about how to sit with people who have anxiety

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and depression and a high level of focus and stress.

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So, no, I was in the industry for about 35 years, and as I was approaching age 50,

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I could see that the industry was changing and I was mostly working as an editor.

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Then.

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and I could tell that it wasn't going

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to be, for me, satisfying

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or reliable to stay in it, even though I was doing very good work.

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And even when I went back to when I went to grad school,

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I kind of hit a pinnacle of the kind of work I was doing

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and worked on, really one of the best shows in sketch comedy,

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because I had I had my career

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had veered me over into sketch comedy for much of my editing career,

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and I ended up working on, this show called Key and Peele for,

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four of the Five Seasons.

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And, it was amazing.

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and people asked me, why would you leave if you're working

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with these incredible people? And,

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I don't think the field is reliable enough

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for me to think that that would have repeated itself.

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And I wanted something that was a bit deeper and match who

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I was so I, at the old age of 49, went to graduate school and,

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got my doctorate,

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in 2015, got licensed in 2016,

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and I've been practicing since before then.

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The minute I could practice, I started practicing.

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Well, what had inspired you to go into psychology?

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Really good therapy that I was in.

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I had an excellent therapist for a long time.

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He's now passed away.

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his name was Larry Lewis, and I, most of the people I know

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in the field at one time or another are in therapy,

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because it's good for you,

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and it helps us with the stresses of this job.

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But, I watched how I worked

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and how my therapist worked in the room, and I became more and more interested.

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And I've always had an interest in,

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philosophy, sociology,

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and how the kind of the human experience

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fits together over time.

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You know, as we develop and age and, and it fit

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and there is something about being an editor in film,

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television,

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that allows you to feel what's happening in the room

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when you're screening things and you're working on projects,

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and there's a lot of nonverbal communication and the transition was

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was relatively smooth.

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Wow. That's a really interesting comparison.

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I love the fact that at 49, you made such a big shift.

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He must have been a really incredible

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therapist to want to follow in his footsteps.

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Yeah.

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When I when I first started exploring it, he, I think tried to use

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a paradoxical intervention, which would mean, say the opposite.

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So he said, why?

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Why do that?

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Just make movies that help people.

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And I was so sick of I had been a director for a couple of years.

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I've made a few films, and I'd gotten out of that in 1996,

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and just the thought of that made me curdle.

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few weeks later, I went in and started speaking more about it,

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and he didn't argue.

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At that point, he realized I was

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I was committed, and then he helped guide me towards, you know,

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a pathway that that worked for me in terms of school

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kind of program. So,

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yeah.

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And it's been it's been a great transition.

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I wish I had done it earlier.

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Because film editing can be really taxing physically mentally emotionally.

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Yeah I, I like that craft I really do, I really respect it.

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But it was more about the, the hours being put in the expectations

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and some of the dynamics I could not count on

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because I was working as a freelancer, so I really wouldn't know what

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the dynamics of that production company or that show would be.

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Before I got in, I would try to do

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as much Intel gathering as I could on the showrunners or the producers.

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and I was mostly lucky.

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but I couldn't see

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myself in my 60s doing that.

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I just couldn't,

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ironically, I work almost the same hours now, but at least I'm in control of it.

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And so I don't have to work a long day because somebody forgot the bagels.

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So the lead actor or actress threw a fit, and then they shut down the cameras, and

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the editors got the film late, and then we had to stay up and get it out

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for the air date. And I don't have to do that.

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Yeah, I just choose to take another client because I want to.

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Yeah.

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Is that why you chose private practice as opposed to

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there's a whole bunch of routes that people can take.

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They can work for hospitals and organizations.

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What made you choose private practice?

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Yeah, I think I knew that I could manage myself and that I could,

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embrace the the creativity

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and the freedom of a private practice as well as manage the risks.

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And so I, I could tell I was built for it.

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maybe not the best

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institutional,

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player, although I'll appear to be, but inside my head I'm not.

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I just kind of want out of there. So.

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So, I put on that dress shirt

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for all my practicum and hospital training and all of that.

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And then as soon as I had my practice, I pretty much dress

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like a seventh grade gym teacher and, and in therapy. So,

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I mean, I put this jacket on for you guys.

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Your fancy today. Yeah.

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All dressed up for us.

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So, you know, it's been a great transition.

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Well, tell us about your specialties.

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I mean, you treat a variety of different types of clients.

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I know that there's clients that you treat for trauma, for DID,

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dissociative identity disorder.

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you treat people for grief and loss.

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Give us an idea of how you decided to specialize and why.

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Well, first, I had really good training,

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both in the classroom and in my, training sites.

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I just lucked out.

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I had great supervisors

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and great professors, and so I got a wide range of training,

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not just learning the DSM and what the disorders were,

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but really learning, you know, what

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we would call the precursors or the etiology of each disorder.

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And what's behind

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a symptom that comes up in a person.

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And so,

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Yeah.

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I oddly, I would be in practicum and say,

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there would be people coming into the clinic

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and they would say, I only want to see a female therapist.

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They would often be a female themselves.

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And they had, maybe sexual abuse or physical abuse in their past.

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I don't want to talk to a man.

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They didn't have any choice because I had openings.

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So the supervisor would assign them to me, and I found that it worked.

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They wanted to stay.

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Somehow.

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I could create, you know, a, safe space

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and and an open ear and,

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and so I kind of knew I could be comfortable with that. And,

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I was also comfortable working with teens at the time.

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I don't now, but I saw a lot of teens through some school

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districts, and,

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and regarding trauma and dissociation,

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dissociation often goes with trauma in one way or another.

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And I had had some training in dissociative identity disorder.

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And a client came in.

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I was originally seeing their son.

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the client fired me after two sessions with the son,

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which is funny.

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We joked about it later,

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but as I did follow ups with the family to see how they were doing,

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the mother started expressing certain things about what she was going through.

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And then I ended up seeing the mother.

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and that was my first case of dissociative identity disorder.

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Luckily, I had had some training, and I seemed to have an affinity for it.

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I understand how it works.

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She felt comfortable.

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And then I've had a number of other clients come through with

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with that disorder.

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I, it's it's very difficult work.

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Any complex trauma is very difficult work.

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So I don't sell my practice with complex trauma cases.

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I tend to have a variety of professionals and,

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some younger adults and people with trauma,

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people going through life changes.

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people who will just call because they're not feeling right.

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They're having somatic complaints, you know, shoulder pains or other things.

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And it's really coming from other areas of their life.

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Sometimes we find out it's not medical and it's it's emotional.

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and I work with people in the creative industry.

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So I work with a number of people in post-production,

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editors and, actors, actresses,

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a writer or two.

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because I understand the language

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of the industry and the creative pressures and,

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they will often say to me that they,

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they sometimes have had to spend so much time explaining

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why someone in the entertainment field works

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12 to 14 or 16 hours a day,

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or how they handle being freelance.

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And and so my clients have appreciated

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that I've been there so they don't have to explain that.

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and we have a common language.

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So that's kind of my practice right now.

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It changes over time.

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So it sounds like there's

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a lot to take on.

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You're, you're I love that when you were in the hospital,

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you had women saying that they didn't want to talk to a man,

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and yet you were able to create such a safe space.

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That must be a real superpower for you.

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but creating that safe space can be really taxing on the person

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creating that nice environment.

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Yeah.

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So how do you go about taking care of yourself?

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my family would say poorly.

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Oh. They're not here.

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So you can lie, right? Right.

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Maybe they'll listen.

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well, I, I do exercise most days of the week.

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I have a routine I've been using since high school, so that works for me.

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I am a musician,

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and I got away from playing a bit, but I built during Covid.

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My way of coping was I built a small recording studio,

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and I put together everything that I wanted for the rest of my life in there.

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So I'm.

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I'm starting to record again and,

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I make sure I get enough sleep.

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And I have changed my practice in terms of,

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how many people I take in to the practice.

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At first I would say yes to everything.

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As you know, Supatra, you know, you like you want to build your your practice.

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I finally reached the point where I could start saying no.

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And it was tough during Covid because we really wanted to serve more people.

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And we had an onslaught and doing pro-bono work on the side.

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There were so many people suffering, but now it's starting to stabilize. And,

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and so, I don't know, I do my best. It's

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Trauma work’s hard.

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I internalize some times my clients, the oddest thing that happens

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is sometimes I will have what I call my clients dreams.

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I have my clients nightmares.

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So I'm experiencing something in the dream and it's me.

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But it's their story.

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and it's sometimes scary.

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It's a scary story.

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They told me, and and it morphs and it.

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And those are the first time that happened.

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Was really strange for me, but.

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And I'm used to it.

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And now I can consult with other people when they experience it.

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Right. So. Right.

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Do you find that if you're not exercising and doing your creative work with music

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and maybe taking on too many clients, that that's when those nightmares can happen?

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Sometimes, sometimes they can or they can surprise me.

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Yeah. Happen either way. Yeah. Yeah.

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Because I'm not really taking any new clients right now.

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it usually isn't sneaking up, although I had one the other week, so,

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it's hard to predict so that.

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Yeah, that's.

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Your subconscious is very empathic.

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Yeah.

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I think,

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there's a concept in psychoanalytic.

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Psychodynamic, therapy called.

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We know what projection is.

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Most of us, when we project our own feelings onto someone else. And,

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projective identification is, is when the other person

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actually receives the projection and starts acting that way for real.

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I think therapists are susceptible to that and should be.

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So if a client projects something onto me,

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to the extent that I'm able to feel it is really good for the therapy,

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because then I can kind of analyze what I'm feeling through their projection.

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When you're working with trauma, you kind of

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have to have some internal boundaries with that

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because you can you can get really pulled into the despair,

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but you want to let yourself get pulled into some of it.

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But if it goes a little too far and it has for me over, you know,

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the past several years, several years ago, I had some very, very difficult cases

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and and I didn't quite know how to do that.

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And, wonderful,

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psychologist named Bobbie Carlson, who's passed away now,

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I was consulting with her about a case, and she said, you know,

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it sounds like you need to develop some internal boundaries.

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And I didn't know what she meant.

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And that's such an abstract term.

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Like what?

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You know, internal boundaries. Yeah.

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It sounds like a lot of us need something similar, even though

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we're not treating people with trauma, but with the media nowadays.

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Sure.

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and taking in all of that information that at a time we didn't have information

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about everything that was going on in the world.

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Is that the same kind of thing where we are feeling

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too much and taking in too much?

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And maybe we need more internal boundaries?

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Yeah, I think with things like the news, you can

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it can be easier because you can mechanically do that.

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You can say, okay,

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I'm only going to read this many headlines or watch this many news shows.

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with the clients, it's, it's,

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it's a little more abstract and it's kind of like being able to turn off.

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But most of us think a little

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bit about our more puzzling cases outside of the therapy session.

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And so we just have to be careful how much we do that and retell

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the narrative of the client to ourselves or how far we let it in.

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You know, maybe we can be analytical about it, but not let the emotion in too much.

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I don't think there's a rule book for it.

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It's it's you got to figure it out yourself. Say.

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When you're treating clients, give this a picture

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of what you're doing, what what what goes on in the session with you.

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How are you taking them towards healing?

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Well, in our clinical training, it's so clinical, right?

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It's so rote.

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And I have a big problem with how psychotherapy

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is blended with medicine in terms of its expectations.

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I, I think we're part of health care, but we are not medicine.

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And so

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the treatment is based on

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the client's style and my style

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and my ability to morph a little bit towards the client's style.

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I don't do a formal intake

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because I have found that if I give a a form

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with questions on it to the clients, they feel a little bit alienated.

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They'll often not finish it.

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If it's homework that has been sent before the first session, or

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if they're sitting with me, they feel disconnected from me.

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So I don't take notes.

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I keep my eyes on the client

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and they open up right away, and it's just

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says something to do with the style.

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as for picking

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a certain method that I work with, and I mainly work relationally psychodynamically,

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which means working with what I'm hearing and seeing in the nonverbal

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and the unconscious, but also cognitively and behaviorally

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and somatically based on what the client needs. So

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if a client

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is coming from a highly cognitive place and that's the only way

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they can communicate, then I'll stick with that.

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But if they're so cognitive that there's other parts

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of their experience that might be missing, and I see them as important, I'll

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I'll try to invite them to look at, say, their body reaction or,

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you know, I heard you say this and I'll do a kind of

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an interpretation that that shaves a little bit of the onion off

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to make them think about something that might be less conscious.

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but if they don't respond to that, I'll go back to cognitive.

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And then there's the opposite.

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Like somebody might come in and they're just

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experiencing the world in a highly emotional way.

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So we'll will work in that.

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And I find that once I find the language,

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then we can move into a more holistic approach.

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so I don't know if that sounds too abstract or not.

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so I don't know if that sounds too abstract or not.

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But yeah, but it doesn't.

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And it takes a lot of observational skills, which sort of going back

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to when you were talking about working in the entertainment industry, it's

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that lens from behind the camera that you've developed

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that helps you in that setting.

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Like you were saying, it's pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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In the editing room, usually the people are behind me

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and you can feel especially I worked in comedy a lot and you can.

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I wouldn't even have to wait for them to say I was like, know to stop it.

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And we're going to adjust that joke.

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You can just feel it.

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And and so that's why nonverbals are really important to me, too.

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yeah.

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I mean, there are times in sessions where I'll stop and we'll just

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look at each other and I'll say, what's happening here?

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And then we kind of like have to deconstruct it, you know?

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yeah.

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There's a great book called Attachment in Psychotherapy

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by David Wollen.

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anyway, he talks a lot about that, like, like what's happening from an attachment

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point of view on a nonverbal point of view and in the feeling in the room.

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And so I use a lot of that.

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the term what's in the field,

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what's in the field between us, what's in the field in the room and

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taking risks and bringing things into the field

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that aren't there, which can backfire. Yeah.

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or working with what's in the field and calling it out or staying in the field.

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And I think a lot of people are not aware of that field.

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Most of us are living from the neck up,

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and so we don't notice when things are happening in our body

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or the energy changes between someone, or we speak in a way

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where our tone changes and says a lot. Yeah.

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So it does take a really great therapist

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to be aware of all of those little nuances.

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Yeah, it also makes the job fun and creative.

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Yeah.

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You know, when you're not having nightmares and weeping into the pillow

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based on something you never experienced.

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