Healing Trauma with Responsive Body Practitioner Deborah Rosen AMFT | ANEW Body Insight Podcast

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In this episode, we welcome Deborah Rosen, an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist (AMFT) specializing in trauma and body-based practices. Deborah shares her expertise on healing trauma through responsive body practicing, focusing on the autonomic nervous system. Her approach integrates body-based practices to help clients achieve mental and emotional well-being.

Deborah discusses her journey into trauma therapy and how her experiences and training have shaped her practice. She emphasizes creating a safe and therapeutic environment for clients, highlighting the significance of a tailored and responsive approach to each individual's needs.

We explore responsive body practicing and how it can help regulate the autonomic nervous system, reduce stress, and promote overall mental health. Deborah provides insights into the mechanisms involved and practical strategies for incorporating these practices into daily life.

For more information about Deborah Rosen and her work, visit her profile on Psychology Today.

Tune in to this episode of the ANEW Body Insight podcast for an in-depth discussion with Deborah Rosen and gain valuable insights into trauma therapy and responsive body practicing. Learn about her journey, research, and practical strategies for achieving mental and emotional well-being.

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Key Topics Covered in This Episode:

• Introduction to Deborah Rosen and her background in trauma therapy
• The journey that led Deborah to specialize in trauma and body-based practices
• The importance of the autonomic nervous system in mental health
• Understanding responsive body practicing and its benefits
• Practical strategies for incorporating body-based practices into daily life
• Creating a safe and therapeutic environment for clients
• Tailoring therapy to individual needs
• Achieving mental and emotional well-being through holistic practices

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Transcript

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Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast,

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empowering and inspiring your journey to optimal health.

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Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist,

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registered dietitian, fitness expert and author of Deprogram Diet Culture:

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Rethink Your Relationship with Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free

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Life, and Chantal Donnelly, physical therapist and author of Settled:

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How to Find Calm in a Stress Inducing World.

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Here at City Club Los Angeles, we follow our guests journey to optimal

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health, providing you with the keys to unlock your own wellness path.

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Tune in and evolve with us.

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Hello and welcome to the ANEW Body

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Insight podcast at City Club Los Angeles.

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I'm Dr. Supatra Tovar.

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And I am Chantal Donnelly.

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We are excited to have Debora Rosen in the house.

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Debora is an associate family marriage family therapist.

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I got that right and also a responsive body practitioner

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as opposed to an unresponsive body practitioner. I respond.

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We're going to be,

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I'm going to let you read a little bit about what Deborah is all about.

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And then we are going to start with, our questions.

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Yes. Deborah

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has a background in modern contemporary dance forms

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with a minor in dance from Cal Poly Pomona.

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She's also certified in Pilates and choreographs and produces

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dance productions.

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It is her love of movement and belief in the intelligence and power of the body

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that has led her to continue her studies in a somatic form.

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In her therapeutic practice, Deborah takes a body

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centered, dance informed approach with her clients,

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and Deborah also addresses trauma and stress related disorders

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and helps to release traumatic experiences that can become stored in the body.

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So, Deborah, tell us about your background as a dancer and Pilates instructor.

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What drew you to studying dance and Pilates, and

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what does your practice do for you mentally and physically?

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Well, initially I was drawn to dance when I was in college

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because I needed something physical to do and I didn't want to do anything else.

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I didn't, and I had done a little bit of dance growing up,

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you know, a little tap dancing,

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you know, a little tap dancing,

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but no, like, you know, intense training.

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And once I started taking dance classes

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at Cal Poly, I just fell in love with dance.

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And then

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I saw this dance performance by a company called Contraband that.

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That's from San Francisco.

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They no longer are a company, and everybody's gone off.

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And don't do their own kind of choreographies and companies.

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but they did this piece of Cal Poly Pomona

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that just was so.

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Mind blowing for me.

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And I just felt so connected to the movement and how they

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were singing and reading poetry and

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these amazing lifts they did with one another

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the connection between one another.

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And it just was like, I remember being like this, and I remember

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that summer I did do an intensive up in San Francisco to like, work with them,

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which was amazing.

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And then I continued dancing ever since. And,

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dancing was actually a challenge for me because I, it wasn't natural

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for me to like, be this, like, you know, technical dance person.

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But I also had the opportunity to work with,

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professors and choreographers who, you know, that we we did improv and,

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you know, we we did things that were sort of pedestrian-esq,

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and things that were abstract that,

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you know, the theme, the story within the work,

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you know, was I was able to express with my body.

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And I didn't realize at the time, though, like, how key that was for me

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and how it helped me be more a more grounded person,

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a more,

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focused person,

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happy, happy, more positive person.

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but I honestly didn't realize all those things till like years later.

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And I again continued dance and danced in a company for a little bit.

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gosh, from like ‘98 to 2006.

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And then I started to do my own choreography.

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As for Pilates, like Pilates came into play sort of like, oh, okay.

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I started managing a Pilates studio and then decided I'd like to teach and, and

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Pilates gave me a structure and foundation to, like, get more connected to.

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Like how to strengthen and be more flexible, as well

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as, dance technique.

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but because of my dance experiences in my,

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my challenges and struggles, I also learned and maybe because

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I was already somewhat mature, I'll say that,

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that I might not be the

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the dancer who could do the big split or the big kick,

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but I could be the dancer that could be very expressive.

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and that could share

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a story with the audience.

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and, and learn and learn

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more deeply about myself and what it's like to be with others

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and just feel like just connected in general to this big world we live in.

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Did you find that Pilates made you a better dancer?

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Because I know when I used to dance, then I went on to, study Pilates.

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I was like,

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oh wait, I wish I had Pilates first,

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because that would have made me much stronger as a dancer.

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I think that it definitely would have contributed to that for sure.

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And I know or I don't know, but I've heard that some like dance departments,

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they do have like Pilates there too, for their students to, partake in.

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But my at my school, they didn't have that.

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But like, yeah, I could see that.

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But like, you know, when I was teaching Pilates, that became a whole other thing

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too, about like helping the person I was working with

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and focusing on their needs and learning how to modify what they needed

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or how I could push them to be even like, you know, just see where they could go.

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And and, and like, sneak

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peeking on the physical therapy people to learn a lot of those modifications.

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Right?

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Because we all work together, folks.

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So, you know, we learned from each other.

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Supatra, Deborah, and I all did work together in a physical therapy/Pilates environment.

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So there was a lot of that.

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what do you do for people who can't do an exercise and all that, that.

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So I learned a lot about that there, you know, and, honestly, like,

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I didn't practice Pilates as much as, like, I would hope to like you

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get so caught up in, like, you know, your work and teaching.

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but I think that's very valid for sure.

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So how did you go from being a dancer and a Pilates instructor and clearly

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enjoying that and choreographing and really sort of evolving as a dancer

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to wanting to get your marriage, family therapist certificate?

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Well, that kind of came separate.

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because I

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initially wanted to study dance movement therapy.

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I met someone who had a masters in,

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dance movement therapy.

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And so I started to look into that. But,

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as we discussed behind the scenes,

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the program that existed in California went away.

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And so I searched for other ways to do it.

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and they have, a way you could do it through the American Dance Therapy

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Association called, alternate route, where you get a masters in something,

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you know, could be even just dance.

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or it could be,

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a marriage and family therapy because that's like, I want to, like,

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get into the psychotherapy some way as well.

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And I felt that studying about family dynamics, communication,

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you know, all those kinds of, ways to be with,

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with people would also be helpful.

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So I ended up getting my master's in marriage, and,

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family therapy for that reason, no program being in California.

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And I was going to do the alternate route.

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But then I decided to research some more and discovered

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Somatics

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and then discovered Responsive Body.

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And that's a program that offers a somatic approach to

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working with people therapeutically.

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Before we get into that, was there something personal

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that led you to want to be a therapist?

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Was there an inspiration?

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Did you have your own therapist?

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Did you go through something that inspired you? Yes.

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so there was a period

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where I was struggling.

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for various reasons.

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gosh, my dad had passed

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like just a few days before I got married.

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that was really difficult.

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It affected my marriage.

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My husband tried to help in lots of ways.

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And, you know, there's, like, sometimes, you know, that that partner doesn't know.

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I mean, you know, I mean, he he knew a lot.

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He knows a lot. I love him,

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I love him a lot

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because he tried really hard.

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and there's something else I'm missing here.

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Sorry. So. Yeah. Okay.

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My dad passed.

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It affected my marriage. yes.

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and we had,

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before it affected my marriage.

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We had experience a miscarriage.

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There was that,

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and so I usually would go to dance class,

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and a regular routine of going to dance class,

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but I knew everybody in dance class so well when I started having,

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like, these really difficult times, I was like,

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yeah, I don't feel like I can go

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because if someone says, how are you?

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I'm not. I'm a I can't be fake.

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I'm just I'm not the type of person to be like, oh, well, everything's great.

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I just I'm not, I'm.

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So I started to talk therapy, and a friend of mine,

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referred me to someone, and she was. She was great.

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She was fine.

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But while I was in talk therapy, I realized I was missing something,

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and that was my movement.

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And, I guess

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she helped a little bit because I felt strong enough to go back.

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And then I had confided in a few friends of what was going on, too.

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And so I felt that support,

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and I realized how important it was

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for me to get back into the studio and move

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and be with those feelings,

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but also know that there, you know, I think it really helped me.

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You know, I don't know if you guys have heard neuroplasticity, right.

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You know, and so it helped me find ways to,

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to deal and, to understand myself better,

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to be resourceful.

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and luckily, my husband,

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I got through that time in.

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Gosh, I think I forgot the question, but,

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that was.

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Plenty of inspiration to go into.

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Oh, that's. Yes.

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Yes. Okay, so that was the big question. Yeah.

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And so in the midst of all that, I was also like thinking like what?

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What can I do?

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Because I was feeling I needed a change of focus of career of, you know,

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where I could be

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of service, I guess, or, you know, where

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I can help people feel similar things,

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you know, that they can get connected in that way.

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And so back to all that and trying to find a program.

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Right. And so we really discussed that.

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And but yeah, that's what led me to going

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the route of getting a master's in marriage and family therapy,

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and then finding also certification in Somatics.

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Well, we really want to know what a responsive body practitioner.

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And what is that.

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What is that exactly? Okay.

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So I'm I did a little cheat sheet on that because,

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our program is very open to like

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encouraging each person that's involved to.

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Be creative

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about how they find ways to do their therapy and embody

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in an embodied fashion and embodied way.

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But I'll describe it per what

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so responsive body.

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It's an embodied way to experience the body's natural capacity

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as a response system for transformation and healing.

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As a practitioner, we place attention to body sensations,

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perception, and movement as a means and mode

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for learning about ourselves and the world around us

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and trying to meet the client's needs semantically.

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So physically, socially

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and nutritionally

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and physiologically,

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and aiming to get them

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to get a more a deeper mind body connection.

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Because, you know, we can learn things here.

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We can go, okay, I, I have an issue.

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I get mad at this.

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It's because I'm sad.

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Okay.

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I know I should behave better.

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I should pay attention to that.

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We can understand it like cognitively that these this is happening,

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but when I work with folks, it's like, well, where is that really coming from?

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Where do you feel that in your body?

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And, different ways to go

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about helping find those new passageways

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and deeper connection to self

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and paying attention to those sensations when you're triggered by something,

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perhaps right, and why that's happening and how you can

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manage that and deal with that.

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So you've really got this psychology piece that we call that

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the top down piece, right where it's cognitive brain down.

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And then you've really brought in this responsive body practitioner piece

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which is clearly body up, really

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getting to that somatic piece.

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and I, I always talk about how those two things

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need to meet right at the heart. Yes.

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And we talk about love

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and the heart space all the time in responsive body.

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And that our intention is to be with with true love.

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That's all it's about.

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All about the love.

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That sounds great.

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I am wondering if

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when you're working with people in that way.

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So you've got this.

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So do you work with people in the psychological capacity

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and then the body capacity at the same time?

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Does this depends on the person you know, depends on how they appear available.

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And I might ask actually I ask because I have met a lot of folks with different,

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you know, diagnoses or situations or,

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challenges that, you know, I want to be sure

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that they feel comfortable to get maybe into their physicality, you know,

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you know, there's a little psycho education that goes into that

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because, you know, you don't always, you know, in talk therapy lingo.

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So what's going on with your nervous system?

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I mean, maybe some of us do, which is great, you know?

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But like, I think, you know, with

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a somatic approach, you are going to pay a lot of attention to that.

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in giving them a little information about how,

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you know, perhaps at a time when they, you know, didn't have

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maybe their developmental years and didn't have that proper attachment.

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There's also that attachment figure, perhaps, right, that wasn't solid in there

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and that they learned how to survive, you know, in the whole fight flight

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freeze situation. Right.

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and what might be caught up in their system

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because it was never really dealt with and that they have

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learned to cope in different ways.

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So we do have coping mechanisms. Right.

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But that can sort of mask not finding the root of it.

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Sure. We numb, we escape. Yeah.

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I mean, you know, I

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in my studies that like the freeze can even get stuck underneath the fight.

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flight.

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So you know, how do we like, free that?

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You know, it's not easy.

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It takes a lot of time and a lot of attention and

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you need that time and attention.

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Do you find that when you call attention to where they have tension in the body

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and, you know, encourage them to be aware of it

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or to even consciously try to release it,

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that that helps them move through whatever

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is kind of stored there.

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I mean, sometimes,

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it's, you know, I have like, experiences

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with certain folks that like, that's a whole new language for them.

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And it's a scary place to go.

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and I only, where I work, I only have a limited amount of time

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with folks, and I don't mean the weekly, like, you know, there's that,

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but that they're in the program for a certain amount of time.

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And I know we haven't touched that, but, like, so my clientele right now is very,

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inconsistent even.

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and this kind of thing does take time.

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But I do see the impact even.

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And when you start to psycho educate and draw attention to body

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and to show as an active listener

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like model, for them to even listen to themselves and what's happening

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with their sensations, and you know that they're at least

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a little spark there to start something

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to shift.

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When I'm with my other

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responsive body practitioner folks,

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we actually have this,

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It sounds a little cult like to say, you know.

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It's not a cult.

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Well, it's mostly it is a group of,

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a lot of dancers, actually, or a dance background, you know, or,

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you know, folks that are very involved with dance,

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whether they teach where they are

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performing and choreographing, like those kind of folks that

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feel a little more

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open to, like, moving with each other.

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And, the facilitator

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leads us through, like, these body maps where it's sort of like improv dance,

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you know, but it's led with, like, sensation.

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And then she'll, you know, give us cues as to like, you know,

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let's move through this shape or,

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you know, go into a position that feels right for you right now.

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Or like, maybe we lead with this part of our body

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or like we check out, you know, she utilizes, dance concepts and elements

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about, you know, like levels and speed and, you know, tempo, rhythm

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and all those things that that really have an impact on how we feel, right

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and how we can explore those feelings.

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And so as culty and that might sound is actually really amazing

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and you get like, you could be in a room with,

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you know, folks that you just sort of met or like,

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you know, they have that common interest and that, you know, a common experience

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of being a mover and a dancer and a performer and choreographer.

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and there's a freedom about that.

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And even though you don't know each other, you feel that body

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to body energy support.

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And love.

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Yeah.

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When people are new to Somatics, I usually explain to them,

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and maybe this is good for our listeners and our audience members.

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So I explain to them that, have you ever been stuck on a problem?

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Maybe at work you have a problem and you decide to go for a walk,

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and then while you're walking,

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while you're moving, there's this light

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bulb that goes on and you've come up with a solution to the problem.

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What Deb is talking about is that times a thousand,

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because when you move your body in a supportive way

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with people who understand somatics and how how

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moving the body in a really different way than just that sagittal walking,

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movement, form

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can, can really release some things that have been

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keeping you stuck not just at work, but in every aspect of your life,

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whether it's the way you deal with money or in relationships or in career

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or in parenting, whatever it is, there are these stuck patterns.

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And a lot of times, if you can get to a place of doing

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the types of somatic exercises that Deb was just describing,

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you can work through those a lot faster than just talking about it.

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Yes. Thank you for that.

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Yeah, I think it kind of helps people to understand.

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Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.

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And I actually do suggest things like that to my folks who,

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I work with that find,

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that don't really have that mind body

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connection, you know, like taking a walk, getting outside even, you know,

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and some of my work looks like actually,

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you know, having the Pilates experience and being a person who loves yoga and,

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you know, a dancer, you know, depending on what, like,

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is needed.

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Like, sometimes I get the mat out, I put them on the mat.

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I might do a little body scan meditation with them to initially to get them, like,

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focused in with their breath.

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You know, breath is key, right?

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How deep is your breath? What's the rhythm of your breath?

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You feel your breath like we're automatically doing that, right?

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You know, we forget about what's automatically happening in our body

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all the time,

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keeping us alive.

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And, you know, let's feel that aliveness though, right?

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How can we really feel that aliveness?

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Yeah, yeah. It's great.

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You had mentioned earlier that you have a specific clientele

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and that they are,

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the way in which you're working with them can be sort of,

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sporadic, right?

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Yeah. can you tell us about your clientele?

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Well, right now, I happen to be working at a program

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that, helps parolees transition back into society.

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And, I initially started working there to complete my MFT

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hours.

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and I have completed those, so that's a plus.

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I happen to like the clientele. I,

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I really have found that

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I have a knack for, I don't know, building rapport

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and inspiring, you know, them to feel motivated to get stuff done.

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I mean, there's those who have diagnoses,

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which that's a little more challenging, but,

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Yeah, I mean, we balance out

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doing casework, too, because they just got out of prison.

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So there's, you have your Social Security card, you know, do you have your medical,

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do you have your ID?

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You know, so, like, all those kinds of things

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play into balancing out, working with them, therapeutically.

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And so it's really challenging, actually,

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to really get to the nitty gritty of like, you know,

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mental health.

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And I am assigned the folks who have the heavy mental health stuff.

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So there's also the challenge of that.

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And one of our goals is to,

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since a program is, limited time, one of our goals

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is to connect them with Department of Mental Health to be sure that they,

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you know, continue getting the support they need,

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after they finish our program.

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and so, again, the time they have with me is like, like this because I'm

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juggling and, and sometimes things happen

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where they get discharged early,

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their schedule sometimes changes because, hopefully getting a job,

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you know, because we're hoping they do those kinds of things too, right?

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And yeah, I mean, I have gotten to the nitty gritty

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with a few folks, which has been really awesome.

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that I,

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I was like, oh, yay, success, you know, that kind of thing.

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But of course, yay for them.

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In that population.

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there's a lot of dissociation that has to happen.

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If I was in prison, I would complete oh.

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My gosh, I would not want to be in my body.

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Some of these folks. Exactly.

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And they are so, so, so guarded.

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it's unbelievable.

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but I am sort of known as a little hippie dippy like, you know,

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body worker girl there. So,

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there's that.

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And, you know, they find this like, oh, I want to do yoga, or so

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I'm like, it's really not what I'm doing.

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But, you know,

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but when I'm taking someone

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through some movements, you know, I,

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I emphasize about how they feel when they're in the movement,

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you know,

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like, I actually might put someone in a plank position

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if I feel like, you know, hey, let's let's let's see how that feels.

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How does that feel in your core?

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How does that feel in your center?

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Do you feel the strength you have there?

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the resistance against the ground, the resistance that you know,

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that you, you know, you can feel like that you have the power of that, you know,

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and so I like, talk about it in that, in those terms,

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in a stretch, you know, it's like, sure.

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Okay.

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We're like, you know, physically stretching this muscle.

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Okay.

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And what do you feel there? Okay.

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Can you maybe see how you can be more flexible in your life in different paths

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that can, like, you know, be created by this flexibility you feel in your body

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and hopefully, like you can take this with you to your day to day activities.

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So that's like how I, you know, the verbiage

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I try to incorporate when working with them.

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Beautiful. It's very empowering.

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And they probably haven't, you know, conceived of their body in that way

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and then connecting it to their strength or their flexibility or their resilience.

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So I think that has to be very impactful.

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And whether or not you're called the hippie

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dippy doesn't really matter, because I'm sure they enjoy it.

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I don't mind the nickname.

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well,

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we are going to be taking a quick break.

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we will be coming back,

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very shortly for the second half of this

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thought provoking and insightful interview with our responsive body

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practitioner and AMFT, Deborah Rosen.

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So be sure to tune in next week for the second half

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of this interview, and we will see you soon.

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