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ANEW Body Insight aims to revolutionize the way we think about health and wellness. Co-hosts Dr. Supatra Tovar and Chantal Donnelly explore the symbiotic relationship between nutrition, fitness, and emotional well-being. this podcast seeks to inform, inspire, and invigorate listeners, encouraging them to embrace a more integrated approach to health.
Dr. Supatra Tovar is a clinical psychologist, registered dietitian, fitness expert, and founder of the holistic health educational company ANEW (Advanced Nutrition and Emotional Wellness). Dr. Tovar authored the book Deprogram Diet Culture: Rethink Your Relationship With Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free Life to be published in September 2024 and created the revolutionary course Deprogram Diet Culture that aims to reformulate your relationship to food and heal your mind so you can live diet-free for life.
Chantal Donnelly is a physical therapist, bestselling author of Settled: How to Find Calm in a Stress-Inducing World, and founder of the wellness company Body Insight, a company dedicated to finding solutions to many of your body’s physical ailments. Chantal created the videos Pain Free at Work and Strong Knees.
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Healing Through Dance and Responsive Body Practicing with Deborah Rosen, AMFT | ANEW Body Insight Podcast
Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast, hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist, registered dietitian, fitness expert, and author of "Deprogram Diet Culture," alongside Chantal Donnelly, physical therapist and author of "Settled." Join us as we delve into the intricate connections between mental and physical health, offering valuable insights and practical advice.
In this episode, we are delighted to feature Deborah Rosen, an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist (AMFT) specializing in trauma and body-based practices. Deborah brings a wealth of knowledge and experience, focusing on healing trauma through responsive body practicing. She emphasizes the importance of understanding the autonomic nervous system and its role in mental health. Her therapeutic approach integrates body-based practices, helping clients achieve comprehensive well-being and healing.
Deborah discusses her journey into trauma therapy, sharing how her personal experiences and professional training have shaped her practice. She highlights the significance of creating a safe and supportive therapeutic environment tailored to each client's unique needs. Throughout the conversation, she explains how responsive body practicing can regulate the autonomic nervous system, reduce stress, and promote overall mental health. Deborah provides practical strategies for incorporating these practices into daily life, making them accessible and beneficial for everyone.
For those interested in exploring more about Deborah Rosen's work and her approach to therapy, you can find detailed information and contact her through her profile on Psychology Today. Deborah's dedication to combining body-based practices with traditional therapy offers a unique and effective pathway for trauma healing and improving mental health.
Tune in to this insightful episode of the ANEW Body Insight podcast as Deborah Rosen shares her expertise on responsive body practicing, trauma therapy, and achieving mental and emotional well-being. Discover practical strategies, learn about her professional journey, and gain valuable insights into the benefits of integrating body-based practices into therapeutic settings.
Key Topics Covered in This Episode:
- Introduction to Deborah Rosen and her background in trauma therapy
- The journey that led Deborah to specialize in trauma and body-based practices
- The critical role of the autonomic nervous system in mental health
- Understanding responsive body practicing and its therapeutic benefits
- Practical strategies for incorporating body-based practices into daily routines
- Creating a safe and supportive therapeutic environment for clients
- Tailoring therapy to meet individual needs and circumstances
- Achieving mental and emotional well-being through holistic, integrative practices
Join us on this enriching journey to optimal health and wellness. Tune in, subscribe, and e
Thank you for joining us on this journey to wellness. Remember, the insights and advice shared on the ANEW Body Insight Podcast are for educational and informational purposes only and do not constitute medical advice. Always consult with a healthcare professional before making any changes to your health routine. To learn more about the podcast and stay updated on new episodes, visit ANEW Body Insight Podcast at anew-insight.com. To watch this episode on YouTube, visit @my.anew.insight. Follow us on social media at @my.anew.insight on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Threads for more updates and insights. Thank you for tuning in! Stay connected with us for more empowering stories and expert guidance. Until next time, stay well and keep evolving with ANEW Body Insight!
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Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast,
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empowering and inspiring your journey to optimal health.
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Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist, registered dietitian,
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fitness expert and author of Deprogram Diet Culture:
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Rethink Your Relationship with Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free
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Life, and Chantal Donnelly, physical therapist and author of Settled:
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How to Find Calm in a Stress Inducing World.
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Here at City Club Los Angeles, we follow our guests’ journey
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to optimal health you with the keys to unlock your own wellness path.
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Tune in and evolve with us.
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Welcome back to the ANEW Body
Insight podcast.
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We are back for the second half
of our interview with Responsive Body
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Practitioner
Debora Rosen, AMFT at City Club Los Angeles.
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Debra gave us some illuminating
information on how responsive body
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work and dance can heal
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certain mental disorders and release
trauma stored in the body.
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We are eager to learn more.
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So, Deborah, can you tell us
what sorts of mental disorders
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can be helped
with responsive body work and with dance?
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So, I have had the opportunity
to work with a few folks
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that are who are diagnosed with bipolar,
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schizophrenia,
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depression and PTSD.
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And I have had
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the chance to incorporate
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body work with, with them.
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And it does show,
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an impact.
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It does.
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I see the difference in how they like.
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Relate to themselves and even to me about,
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you know, being able to even, like,
look at me,
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especially like my few bipolar folks,
you know,
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that's usually kind of like,
you know, and just and,
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and they do take medication,
you know, there's that, you know, that's
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also helping them, that's, you know,
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But when I initially started
working with them, there was like
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this kind of disconnect and
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like I said, not even really able to look,
you know, not that you're going to stare
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someone the whole time,
but just the feeling comfortable enough
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to sit up taller,
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to present more openly,
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to be willing to receive
what I have to offer, even,
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you know, which is really been amazing
that they trust
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and trusted in me
to, you know, work that way.
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I have,
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I remember working with this one
gentleman.
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He actually wasn't diagnosed,
but I would like to, like,
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just share this one because,
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I mean, he did deal
with a lot of depression and,
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He had he was addicted
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to, drugs for quite some time, but,
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he was very focused, and he took to the,
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like, the mind body works so brilliantly,
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and, I don't know, maybe he was just ready
and he was available,
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you know, because there's that. Right.
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You know, some people,
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you know,
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and we had talked about so many different
things
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about his childhood
and, you know, presently
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what was happening and things that he,
you know, he struggled from anxiety.
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and I remember one time said, you know, I
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he said to me,
I really feel like we need to go back to,
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reflecting on my childhood
and talking more about that,
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I said, okay, you know,
he told me this at the end of one session.
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So I was like, great. So next week
I'm going to make sure I do that right.
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And I remember thinking about it,
you know, like before we met and
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because he had taken
so well to the bodywork, you know,
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I thought, okay,
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I'm going to have him sit down
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on the mat and,
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And I said, so I would really love you
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to close your eyes, take a moment to,
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you know, connect with your breath,
you know, feel the ground underneath you.
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And now.
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And I gave him a moment,
you know, just to sit in.
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And then I said, now I really would
love you to embody that nine year old boy.
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And he went there.
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I mean, you know,
for everybody it's different,
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you know, you don't know.
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but he did seem
like he would be available for that.
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So I tried and,
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and he was able
to, like, express all these things
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that he needed to talk about and get out
and be honest about about his parents.
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And he loved his parents. He loved them.
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But there was struggles.
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There was things,
there was difficulties. And
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and he needed to name it.
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And, I mean, boy,
did he start to really thrive after that.
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Even more so.
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Even more
so because he was already thriving
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like we had already, like,
I mean, you know,
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not that anxiety completely goes away
all the time, you know?
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I mean, like, but but he had gotten
to a place where he was feeling very solid
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and then capable to like,
okay, this is what's happening to me
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and not just have tools to like,
deal with it,
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you know, like get into your senses,
which is awesome too.
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I mean, that's also body related, right?
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But sometimes we deal with the five senses
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to try to get someone
like grounded in the here and now.
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Right.
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But to go deeper than that, besides that,
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you know,
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to like really be able to check in
with knowing
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and being your true
authentic self in all of it,
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you know, knowing that that's okay too,
and trusting that, you know, it's like
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kind of rebuilding trust within yourself,
which is a really beautiful thing.
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So like, I just had to show that one
because I was like, so up for him.
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It's beautiful when it works.
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You have been through quite a journey.
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and the last podcast
we talked about how you started out
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as a dancer and Pilates instructor,
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and then you moved on
to getting the therapy piece,
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breaking down piece and then you,
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intuitively and wonderfully added
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that body of somatic therapy piece.
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If you could go back in time
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and start again,
is there a piece of information,
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is there some advice?
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Is there anything that you wish you had
way back then that you could have made
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this journey be maybe a little easier or
a little faster, a little more efficient?
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I think the faster would have been nice.
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Like just knowing like realizing it.
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but I also honor that I, I'm where
I'm at now.
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You know,
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I just didn't realize it, I didn't know.
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What do you mean by knowing.
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It came to me later
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in life after experiences
that had significant impact on me.
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That really helped me reflect
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on where I wanted to go. And,
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I so wish I would have known sooner. Sure.
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It would have been great.
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You know, like, would would know more now
or, you know, I mean, because to me, it's
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a it's going to be a continuous process,
this whole thing,
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But that's okay.
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I mean, I've always been a late bloomer,
actually, and I accept that about myself.
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And it's the right
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time for you
when you were most receptive to learning. Perhaps, yeah.
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something that really inspired you,
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to go down that route
and you had experienced pain.
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You had experienced loss? Yes.
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That that, you know, just helps
you be a better therapist.
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You were just
you have much more experience now.
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Yeah.
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Am I choreography
actually went that way too.
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I think,
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I meant to share this before about you.
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Oh, I think one of the questions was about
how did dance help heal me, right.
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And okay, we already covered that, right.
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But when I started to choreograph,
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I would choreograph pieces that related to
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what was going on in my life.
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And one piece was about my dad
passing and,
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I don't even know
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honestly how that piece came together
because I was such an like this kind of.
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Oh, but,
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when it came to
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fruition and we like, presented it.
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And then I spoke to people afterwards,
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I really was like, wow,
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that was like such the journey
to help me, like,
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cope with that loss, understand
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my feelings more.
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It was beautiful.
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I saw it.
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It. Was absolutely beautiful.
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And and that was my first one to. Yes.
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Seeing Deborah go through this especially,
you know, we learned in the last,
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half of the podcast
that her dad passed away the night before.
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A couple days.
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Two days before her, her wedding,
which was devastating.
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But what was amazing about her wedding
was that it was one of the saddest
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and happiest things
I've ever experienced in my life.
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It started out very reverentially
with the memorial for her father,
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and by the end of the night,
we were dancing like crazy people
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and it was the most beautiful celebration
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of the most beautiful wedding
I've ever been to.
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And that came out in her dance piece.
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Her dance
piece was really, an homage to him.
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It was a release of all of this pain
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and this, you know, sadness.
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But it was also uplifting,
and it was one of the most beautiful dance
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performances I've ever seen.
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And it's a testament to what,
you know, art can do for us as people,
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and it can help us heal,
it can help us be better people.
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And you do that through your choreography.
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I think sharing stories is important.
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And that's the way I share stories.
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I mean, I did
another piece that had to do with me
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having a hard time getting pregnant.
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but it was it was an inspiring piece
in the sense that it was titled Junone.
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Juno,
the goddess of marriage and and birth.
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And I felt that it was my way
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of being really hopeful about it
and being positive about it and
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and seeing the beauty of what,
what can maybe be even though,
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like, you know, that passed
and it still took time.
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But I also found my way of getting there,
which was also beautiful.
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So and then my last piece was
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called Fragmented
and it actually dove into mental health.
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And the.
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Finding ways to express
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I mean, I gave the dancers like they
they contributed to the choreography.
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And you know, in the if you're going to do
something like a piece like that, that's
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it has to do with mental health.
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You're not going to be like,
here's the movements.
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Or like, you know,
the movement needs to come from from them
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and how they feel because their stories
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were being brought to the choreography.
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And so even though we didn't know, say,
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the specifics of their stories,
their emotions
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fully came out on stage.
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And it was amazing when I like
when it came to like the full piece,
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I was actually
like, wow, okay, we did this.
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and they,
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they were like,
I mean, they really put it out there.
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And I would give them cues about like,
where in your body do you feel,
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you know, what's your what's your story is
and what you're dealing with.
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And one girl had just lost her dad.
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Another woman had, lost her husband
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a few years back. and.
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I know that was part of their story,
but, like, you know, like
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they it gave them the opportunity
to just, like, really be in there.
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And not that you want to, like,
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showcase things like that in general,
but it was just more about like
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actually community two and like,
how can we really be with one another?
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And it kind of,
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reflected on like witnessing one
another and listening and being available
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was incorporated in the choreography, too,
like in the staging and everything.
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And that was like, I don't know,
it just turned out really nice. And
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I would actually like to revisit that.
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Being that I'm like in mental health
and, you know,
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and that I believe in the somatic,
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you know, approach to dealing with it
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full circle.
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Well, if someone didn't have access
to therapy with you,
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how would they incorporate dance movement
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into their own practice to help themselves
heal?
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Well, I would go
the practical route first off and and say,
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hey, you know,
there are folks out there that you can,
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like the American Dance Therapy
Association has a directory right online,
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and you can look up your area and see
about connecting to a dance therapist.
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And same with Somatics.
You can do similar thing.
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And there's so many different programs
there though, like
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I mean you could go to the Responsive
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Body, ah website, and it does have
all of us listed as practitioners.
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So you know, there's other
folks there for that too.
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I do find that most people don't
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think about their body, though,
when it comes to therapy.
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And, I mean, I can only hope
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that they might seek something that's,
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you know, that makes them active.
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because it doesn't have to be dance
necessarily, right?
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It could be swimming.
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It could be hiking.
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It could be,
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gosh, so many different things
that, you know,
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somebody likes to do and be active with.
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It just gives them
that some kind of movement.
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of course I do
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think dance
and Somatics is very powerful.
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and it and partly
because it's, it can be so expressive.
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Right.
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Because if you're doing golf
or if you're doing swimming, you know,
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there is that it does help move, help
you move.
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But, you know, with my experience
in contemporary modern dance,
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there's that, you know, expressive aspect
that I think is so powerful
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and so key and so and can be so available
really if you go there.
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Yeah.
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All right. Last question. You're ready?
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This is an easy one I think.
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What is lighting you up right now.
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It doesn't have to be professional.
It can be personal.
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What are you really passionate
about right now okay.
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So that is decently easy, yeah.
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So I really want to get into neuro
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affective touch because I feel
that touch is super key as well.
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And so that's my next route on my journey
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here with body.
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And in my personal life,
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I will say that I have a seven year old
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that inspires me, like on a daily basis.
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And he
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but he he's able to say to
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me, well, mom, I did that because.
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I was.
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Feeling and I was like, what?
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You were what you're feeling.
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I never did things like that
or talked to my parents like that.
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And I just like,
like knock, you know, that
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my husband and I are
making that kind of impression, you know?
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I mean, he sees us get upset and like,
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you know, impatient
and all those things too, but,
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that we were able to go,
you know, hey, and apologize for it
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even and, and, and share
how we were feeling
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and that we modeled that
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and I honestly, I'm telling you,
I have a kid who can tell me how he feels,
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which is, I think, amazing at seven years
old is amazing.
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You know?
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And he's pretty cute. Yeah.
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To top it all off.
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Well, we love to open up,
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the, podcast
for some questions from our audience.
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So I don't know if anyone has a question.
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If you have one,
please come down to the mic.
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We have a question. Coming up yay..
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Hi there. I was really taken with
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some of what
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You talking about with the parallels between
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and the patterns in dance and movement and
the energetic exchange
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of that at the patterns in dance
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and then like families systems
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and communities and group dynamics
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so I think it could be really interesting
to hear more about
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so I think it could be really interesting
to hear more about
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when one person experiences what
you’ve witnessed around that, when you’ve worked with people
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and seen them change
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I love that question.
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because Responsive Body
is about actually making an impact
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on community and encourages
folks to find their community,
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you know, because we all need that, right?
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You know, that's a key thing.
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And we live in such like a big world
where sometimes that's hard to
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to have,
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and I'm not sure I'm gonna answer that
question further in any way except that
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I have had like a few experiences
moving with the responsive body folks
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where we have these, like discussions
afterwards.
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So like, we go through these body maps
with the facilitator
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and do our dealio and like,
let it out and all this.
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And she gives us these different cues
and, you know,
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it gets us really kind of moving and, and,
and it does provoke
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the attention to the energies
and sharing space and each other.
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Again, like I had said earlier,
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like you might not even know each other
very well,
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but there's there becomes a comfort
in all of that.
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You just move together.
You just shared like that
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vulnerability to be in space together.
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And I remember thinking like,
and we had shared this
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in one of our last,
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gatherings about could you imagine
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if there was a facilitator
who did something like that
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in our politics and before,
like a big group of important people
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met to discuss something really vital,
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and if they did something
that was more somatic together, first,
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how they might shift,
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how they deal with that big thing,
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I honestly think it would have
a really huge impact.
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I think it makes people feel more human
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and more accepting and.
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Hopefully more humane.
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Beautiful.
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Snapping yeah.
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do we have any other questions?
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Don't be shy.
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that was good question.
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Thank you.
It was a very good question. I know that,
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you know, to
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to tag along at the end of her
answer for you.
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I do think that, when one person heals,
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it does help the system to heal.
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I see it with families of my clients
all the time.
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Once they learn
how to better regulate their emotions
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or be more objective,
or be more compassionate and empathetic,
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they start to see changes
happen in their family.
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They they usually come to me and say,
well,
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you know, there's
no way I can ever change my family.
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And I'm like, well, yeah, that's true ish.
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But once you start to change, you're going
to start to see change around you.
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And that's what usually happens.
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It's the energetic shift
that the family feels
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where you're no longer
in your kind of prescribed roles.
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whether you're, you know, a scapegoat
or you're the black sheep
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or you have a problem, kid,
once you stop being the problem kid
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has the system has to change,
the system has to evolve.
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And usually what we'll see is
they'll evolve upward with their,
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you know, that the sick one
who's in therapy and I always, you know,
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put that in quotes because usually the one
who comes to therapy is, is sometimes
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the most sensitive one in the family
or the one who's really, like,
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disturbed about the dynamics
that they're experiencing in the family,
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even if they might not necessarily
be the sick one.
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They're the feeler.
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They're the feeler.
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And once the feeler starts to heal, then
everyone else seems to follow suit.
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That calm becomes contagious.
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Yep. Well,
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we are pretty much out of time.
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Yeah. We're right on time.
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but we really want to thank you, Deborah.
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It was very inspiring to hear your story
and it was very heartfelt.
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And we all, you
know, could feel you, your pain,
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but also your inspiration towards
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this journey to become a healer.
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we don't take that lightly.
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It's a, horrible thing
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that you experienced losing your father
and going through what you went through.
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But we're so grateful that you are out
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there, helping people because of that.
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And so that's how I think a lot of,
00:22:03:00 - 00:22:06:00
pain can be turned into beauty.
00:22:06:23 - 00:22:10:01
So thank you for having me,
I appreciate it.
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Oh, so we're so lucky.
00:22:12:20 - 00:22:15:25
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