Empowering Women to Overcome Depression and Thrive: A Deep Dive with Ashley Miers on ANEW Body Insight Podcast

Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight Podcast, where we empower your journey toward optimal health and well-being. Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, a clinical psychologist, registered dietitian, fitness expert, and author of Deprogram Diet Culture: Rethink Your Relationship with Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free Life, this podcast is your ultimate guide to unlocking your wellness potential.

In this episode, Dr. Tovar is joined by Ashley Miers, a sought-after success coach, speaker, and star of the YouTube cooking show Dancing in the Kitchen. Ashley’s work is dedicated to helping women overcome depression naturally, without subscribing to the belief that they are broken. Her goal is to empower her clients to embrace self-love, live joyfully, and thrive in their lives. With a background in neuroscience and a personal recovery story that includes overcoming eating disorders, substance abuse, and toxic relationships, Ashley blends skills and concepts from Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) and Kundalini Yoga in her coaching program, Transcend the Turbulence (TTT). Through this program, she guides clients in implementing self-care strategies that support self-esteem and lead to transformative life goals.

Ashley shares her inspiring journey from her own mental health struggles to becoming a beacon of hope and recovery for others. She discusses the turning points in her life that led her to commit to recovery and holistic health, emphasizing the importance of finding motivation and aligning with one’s true purpose. Ashley’s story is a testament to the power of resilience and the impact of holistic practices on mental and physical health.

In addition to her coaching, Ashley is also a talented musician and singer, using music as a therapeutic tool to process emotions and connect with others. Her show Dancing in the Kitchen, co-hosted with Elisabeth Russo, combines music and food to elevate mental health and overall well-being. This unique approach reflects Ashley’s belief in the transformative power of creative expression.

Tune in to this episode to hear Ashley’s powerful story, learn about her innovative approach to health coaching, and discover how she integrates various disciplines to empower her clients. Whether you’re looking to overcome mental health challenges or simply want to align more closely with your purpose, Ashley’s insights are sure to inspire and guide you on your journey.

Don't miss the continuation of this conversation in next week’s episode, where we dive deeper into Ashley’s work and the practical strategies she uses to help her clients achieve their goals.

For more about Ashley Miers and her work, visit www.ashleymiershealth.com, www.ashleymiersspeaking.com, and Dancing in the Kitchen.

Thank you for joining us on this journey to wellness. Remember, the insights and advice shared on the ANEW Body Insight Podcast are for educational and informational purposes only and do not constitute medical advice. Always consult with a healthcare professional before making any changes to your health routine. To learn more about the podcast and stay updated on new episodes, visit ANEW Body Insight Podcast at anew-insight.com. To watch this episode on YouTube, visit @my.anew.insight. Follow us on social media at @my.anew.insight on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Threads for more updates and insights. Thank you for tuning in! Stay connected with us for more empowering stories and expert guidance. Until next time, stay well and keep evolving with ANEW Body Insight!

Transcript

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Welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast,

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empowering and inspiring your journey to optimal health.

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Hosted by Dr. Supatra Tovar, clinical psychologist,

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registered dietitian, fitness expert, and author of Deprogram Diet Culture:

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Rethink Your Relationship with Food, Heal Your Mind, and Live a Diet-Free

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Life, and Chantal Donnelly, physical therapist and author of Settled:

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How to Find Calm in a Stress Inducing World.

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Here at City Club Los Angeles, we follow our guests journey to optimal

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health, providing you with the keys to unlock your own wellness path.

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Tune in and evolve with us.

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Hello and welcome to the ANEW Body Insight podcast at City Club Los Angeles.

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I am Dr. Supatra Tovar.

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and sadly we do not have Chantal Donnelley with us.

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So I am flying solo today and we are thinking of her and wishing her well.

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I am super excited to have success coach

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and Dancing in the Kitchen and TV star Ashley Miers

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here with us today.

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Thank you I am happy to be here.

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I'm going to read a little bit

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about Ashley, and then we'll get right into our question.

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Ashley Miers is a sought after success coach

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who helps women find freedom from depression

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naturally, without buying into the lie that they are broken

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so that they can love themselves,

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live a life of joy and love, and ultimately thrive.

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At the top of 2024, Ashley began the release of her new YouTube cooking

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show, Dancing in the Kitchen, which I'm going to be on and I'm very excited about.

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where she and co-host Elisabeth Russo

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utilize music and food as a powerful tools for elevating food

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and supporting mental health and well-being overall.

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In her online group coaching program, Transcend the Turbulence,

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Ashley guides a worldwide community of heart centered clients

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to make impactful health and mindset changes.

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Drawing upon Ashley’s own recovery experience.

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her degree in neuroscience and blending  skills and concepts from Dialectical Behavioral

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Therapy and Kundalini Yoga, the foundation of the TTT program involves

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implementing self-care strategies to support self-esteem and success.

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And from their clients progress to setting and fulfilling transformative life goals

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so that they can finally and fully step

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into their purpose, power, and potential.

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Ashley is a two time speaker at the Mental Health America

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Annual Conference, a NAMI Blog contributor

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and a contributing contributing author to The Entrepreneur's

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Book of Wisdom, an anthology by Holon Publishing.

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Welcome Ashley.

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Thank you again.

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I'm happy to be here.

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Oh, thank you, thank you.

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You have quite the bio so you've got a lot going on here.

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And as I have learned from you, you have had quite a journey

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from your own personal struggles with mental health

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to becoming this beacon of hope and recovery.

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And that is really incredibly inspiring to me.

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Can you share

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what the turning point was for you in deciding to commit to recovery and holistic health.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So there's kind of two answers to this for me.

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One being that the pain,

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the dysfunction had to become greater

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than the pain or discomfort

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of facing my fears and doing the work it took to recover.

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I had to have enough motivation

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to be able to get through the resistance that I had to my own recovery.

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And when staying in the darkness

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became more painful and less tolerable than doing what it took to recover, facing

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my fears, getting honest with myself and others, you know, resisting my urges.

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Self-harm or substance abuse.

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and so the acting on them then that was a really key factor for me.

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And another thing for me was honestly motherhood.

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I knew that I wanted to be a wife and a mom all day,

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and I knew that if I was harming myself, in any way,

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that I couldn't be a healthy mother, and if I couldn't stay sober,

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if I couldn't take care of myself, and I obviously couldn’t be pregnant and,

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you know, expose a baby to that. So

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that's one of the reasons,

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you know, the reason why one of my favorite parts

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about what I do with my coaching clients is helping them

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is helping them set those transformative goals, because I feel like most of the women that come to me,

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they are in some way or another, not aligned with their truth.

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and their purpose. And in some way they're selling themselves short or they are throwing themselves under the bus.

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They're taking care of everybody else and they’re not taking care of themselves.

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they are somehow neglecting

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or betraying some aspect of themselves that really needs to be lived into.

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And so I help them get clear on what that is, what actually really lights you up.

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If nobody was judging you as nothing was stopping you.

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What would the dream be?

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Okay, let's figure out a plan.

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Let's reverse engineer that and make plans that you can follow to get there.

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Because I think that in my experience,

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the depression that women are experiencing when they come to me

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tends to be a result of them being out of alignment with that purpose.

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And it's like the gap, the distance between who they actually want to be,

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where they actually want to be, and where they're at right now.

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Right the pain of that gap. Yes.

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and so for me,

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wanting to become a mother was something that I could like,

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pull myself forward to do something that I could care

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enough about to follow, and again,

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to get me through the discomfort of what it took to actually change.

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Right. To the extent that you feel comfortable,

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can give us an idea of what that looked like for you?

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When you were in the midst of it.

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absolutely.

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So I mean, I kind of had every vice and disfunction that you could almost have.

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I had an eating disorder, I self-harmed,

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I was suicidal, I had multiple suicide attempts,

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I abused substances.

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what else did I do?

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Toxic relationships.

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I mean, kind of ran the gamut

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but it ultimately all just stemmed from

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not being able to own my own worth,

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love myself enough to be able to

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have that deserving power like I deserve better than this.

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And I even if somebody else is hurting me, if I'm feeling hurt by their behavior,

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I can love myself enough

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to choose not to participate in it versus like I need them to change.

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For me to be okay,

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it's a very big difference.

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you know, so it looked bad.

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It looked like I would use cocaine because I wake up depressed every morning

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and that would, like, help me get up and get out of bed.

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at a certain point in my life, I was isolating completely.

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I would just stay in my apartment and make music and, like, do drugs.

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and then I never really liked alcohol that much.

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but I would drink to just pass out, you know, so

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I just could seek that oblivion and unconsciousness.

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so I had all kinds of unhealthy behaviors.

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Yeah, I that all became more painful than what it took to make it stop.

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Absolutely.

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And I think once you have that benefit of time, you gain a lot of insight.

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As to why and how you got to where you were

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with that insight,

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do you have that answer of why and how you got there?

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Yeah, I mean, I think that that's

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going to continue throughout my life to be like layers of an onion

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that I'm always unpeeling and kind of like discovering

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deeper meaning.

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but yes, like the traumatic things that I went through in my life

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that made me feel unlovable, that made me feel safe.

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And I think it's so fascinating when

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those patterns like, come to our conscious awareness.

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And I just had one the other day where I was realizing, like, okay,

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when I was a kid, when I would ask for help, I would be told

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I was the problem and like, the help wouldn't come, right.

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And so then looking at my life and being like, what are the ways that

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I replay this, what are the ways this trauma has replayed in my life.

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And how have I continued to find myself to put myself in situations

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where I am trying to ask for help or support by asking the wrong people.

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And, you know, they're telling me I’m the problem.

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And finally reaching a point where I have enough trust in my own judgment

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and my own perception

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to be like, no, actually, I am seeing things clearly.

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I can discern the truth for myself, what my truth is,

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and I can choose to not believe in other people are trying to sort of

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like pigeon hole me into, you know, you're the problem versus

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Like there's something actually really wrong with what's going on here

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and so strong in that and set a boundary.

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did you seek help yourself?

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I did a certain point.

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Like in 2012, I started going to AA meetings,

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and I would go to an AA meeting and go home and use

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 I would go to an AA meeting the next day and go home and use

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And that was really demoralizing.

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I probably did that for,

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I don’t even know, it might have been like, a year

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and I don't think I ever got more than a day,

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two, three days tops.

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and then I ended up moving to Nashville in 2013,

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and I was able to finally stop doing the cocaine

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because I wasn’t going to ask anybody for it.

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And so I was able to, like, break that.

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But then I was still drinking alcohol.

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I was like smoking cigarets at that point, which is something like,

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I never thought I would do, but I reached a place in my life where I was so

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just in so much despair

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and like low self-worth that it was like nothing matters, what did it matter anymore.

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I didn't like cigarettes like my pattern was 

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I was like I would smoke one and hate myself

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and then feel like I should smoke another one like.

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Well, it's the addiction.

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And then I think it's if you could equate it to something.

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I think it's a slow way to kill yourself.

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I think that it comes from a place of low self-esteem.

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Low self-worth, and.

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How did you end up quitting cigarettes?

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in 2014,

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I moved back to LA and I just reached a point one day.

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And I don't know, it's hard to say.

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Like what the breaking point was that day, but and I share this with my my coaching,

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clients, it’s part of the the story I share with them about what my experience was.

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I remember sitting in this armchair and just being like,

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I'm done, like no more.

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And it was so intense that I,

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I don't know what you want to call it.

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Like if it was a kundalini awakening, if it was a psychotic.

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Break. If it was, I don't know.

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But I had a really crazy week.

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And it started with that moment in that armchair and drawing this line, and being like, I’m done.

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And then I forced myself to, like, get up and take a shower

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because all I wanted to do was go back to bed.

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And so I was doing this contrary action of like, but I'm not going back to bed.

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No. I'm not letting this control anymore.

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So I  got in the shower and I literally had to talk to myself

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out loud to drown out the subconscious voice

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that was just telling me to stop and go back to bed.

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And every time I would stop speaking out loud, I would just find myself

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like standing frozen in the shower, almost like catatonic.

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And I kind of recognize it and be like, I am picking up the shampoo.

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I am putting the shampoo in my hand.

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I am rubbing my hands together, and I mean it.

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I'm sure it looks insane. It felt insane.

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But I had to have something

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loud enough to out, you know, like way out that

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that voice that was telling me to, like, give up and stop and continue the pattern.

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I did it for so many years, and then I started going to AA again.

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And that was the first time I got like, real sobriety.

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I was sober for 14.5 months.

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and that first week, like, I couldn't sleep like it was,

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it was really wild, but it felt like a huge psychic

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shift had happened and something just broke open.

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And eventually that kind of faded.

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and it was almost like.

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Yeah, the way I describe it is that me, like this person

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that's sitting in front of you today, was like in the backseat of the car.

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And there was this, like, terrified, out-of-control little girl at the wheel.

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Exactly.

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I was just seeing two sides of yourself warring with each other.

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And then the one that won.

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How would you describe that side? The adult.

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The adult was like, you are not driving the car.

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Get in the backseat where you belong.

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I'm taking over and I'm keeping us safe.

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and that's for the mom in you, I think.

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Coming out as well. I think so too.

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And probably just wanting to emerge.

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I am so glad for that. For you.

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And then you have.

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You know, I don't like when you've gone through that journey but I think that 

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journey informs you and

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has kind of created

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this mission for you, which is really beautiful.

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Now, you have a very extensive background in neuroscience, philosophy,

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nutrition, music, all sorts of different areas.

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How do you integrate these disciplines

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into your coaching and your speaking engagements to address

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both mental and physical aspects of health?

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So what I feel like I do is I look for what is the need.Like

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I come to find that I can be overwhelming if I just open the floodgates.

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So what I try to do is

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look for the need of the person or the people that are in front of me

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and then draw from whatever I know, whatever discipline seems relevant

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and try to meet that need to the best of my ability.

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So if somebody is coming to me and,

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you know, maybe they're really resistant

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to one thing that I need to pay attention to that,

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and I don't want to trigger their defenses and make them close up

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and not be receptive.

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So I'm not going to try to, like, bring that piece in right now.

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I'm always kind of looking for like, what can this person hear right now,

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where is like the crack where the light can get in?

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And let me like speak to that.

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And what I find is that, like as people feel safe

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and they trust and they start to like, address things

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and get a sense of accomplishment from that, and then they come receptive

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to a little bit more, have a little bit more.

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So I mean, it's sort of a circuitous answer, I suppose.

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But, you know, all of those various disciplines can be useful

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just depending on what someone's interested

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in, what the receptive to, what they're not receptive to.

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Oh, I relate completely I mean, I have a psychology

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background, the dietetics background fitness background.

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And I find that it's really about motivational interviewing at the beginning

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and just trying and figuring out like, you know, what are they ready for?

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What are they open to?

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And no one is the same.

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They're all coming from different backgrounds and,

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you know, different and

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different areas of the country and all of that.

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And I think having a lot that you can pull from

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and integrate into your approach is really helpful.

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How do your clients

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receive that?

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I think they love it.

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Like we have, my coaching calls are

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so my clients rave about them.

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Like that is the thing that they're just like, this is such an amazing experience.

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And oftentimes they're like trepidatious when they come to it because,

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you know, the thing

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that I find a lot of them have in common is this idea that they're all alone.

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They're the only person that's like this, like they're a weirdo, they're a freak.

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They're, you know, whatever.

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There's so much stigma about mental health is not something we can talk about.

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and so many people have that

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idea that they have been inculturated with

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And so they come to these group coaching calls,

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and at first it's like I'm not comfortable sharing my vulnerability.

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And then they realize what a safe and sacred space it is,

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and that we just dive into whatever is relevant for any given person.

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And I even notice there's like

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a certain amount of synchronicity that happens where like something

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I'll be going through in my personal life

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will be relevant to something that somebody brings up on a coaching call

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and some experience that I recently had will allow me

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to speak to what they're going through in an informed way.

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And it's it's a really beautiful synergy that I think feels bigger than.

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Yeah.

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I think it even goes beyond,

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you know, these like neuroscience, philosophy, nutrition.

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You also have, the use of various therapies

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EMDR, DBT, Kundalini yoga.

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Tell me about those practices and how they complement your coaching.

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Absolutely.

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So I'm not a therapist.

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I'm a coach that I don't actually practice eMDR with my clients.

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I do teach them DBT skills, but with the disclaimer

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that I'm not  a DBT therapist it doesn’t substitute for a DBT 

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program

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but those skills have been immensely useful to me,

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and I find a lot of parallels between to Kundalini and DBT.

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So I guess I'll start with eMDR,

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and just how powerful it is to get into the body

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and to process the emotions and the somatic aspect of healing,

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because we can be in our heads and talk about, talk and analyze

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and be intellectual about it and even understand it.

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But there's still that subconscious

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that if it's not addressed and it's not resolved.

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And like our nervous system is running us without our awareness. Exactly.

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So EMDR is powerful for that.

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And I recommend that to people to like,

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we got to get into our feelings and actually feel them,

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and DBT and also Kundalini I feel for me,

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one of the main benefits has been learning distress tolerance. Yes.,

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Because I feel like that was the thing that really tripped me up

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when I was younger.

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Like I couldn't tolerate feeling my feelings.

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I couldn't tolerate the distress of how intense my feelings were,

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and learning to sit with that and tolerate it

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then give me the ability to not react to it unconsciously,

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like I could have a bit of a buffer, have a mindfulness component as well

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to sit with it and choose what was my response going to be?

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And there's so much to DBT so

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there's a lot to love.

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But, you know, it's about not making things worse.

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So can you sit with something and either just not react to it

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in a way that's going to make it worse or ideally you make a choice.

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It's actually going to start moving towards healing or making things better.

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Right..

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For those that don't know, DBT is dialectical behavioral therapy,

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and it was created by Marsha LInehan a very famous, therapist,

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who is borderline has,

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diagnosed borderline personality disorder.

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So originally created to help people with that personality disorder,

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function and operate in the best way that they can.

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So there's all sorts of skills like mindfulness,

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working on interpersonal relationships.

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So that's a big one for people who suffer from borderline personality disorder.

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There's

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the mindfulness piece.

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yes. And there's all sorts of, like, skills.

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It's a very manualized treatment.

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So that's what she's saying is, you know,

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to to practice that.

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Marsha Linehan encourages. People to be.

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Certified in and to follow a certain protocol.

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But all of us therapists we draw a lot of, you know,

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use from her, interventions.

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a lot of her, worksheets and things that you do with clients,

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they're very, very helpful for anyone who's suffering from

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something very difficult just trying to work through in their lives.

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Yeah.

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Well, as a mom, these are things that I teach my kids

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now because I truly believe that we all learned these kinds of coping skills.

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As children, we will live in a radically, radically different world.

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so in terms of

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Kundalini and DBT  I feel like Kundalini

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was an active practice for me with the disrtress tolerance, because

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if you're getting into a pose, it's really uncomfortable

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and you're sitting there and you're enduring it for X number of minutes,

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your mind is going to kick up all this stuff.

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You know, like, this hurts.

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I shouldn't do it. Maybe I'm actually hurting myself.

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This is stupid.

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Why do I sign up for this in the first place?

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Like, whatever the chatter is, right?

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And so you have the opportunity to just

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stay in the discomfort and witness the chatter.

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And by practicing that and having,

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an experience of transcending it, overcoming it,

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not letting it dictate your behavior,

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you then can take that experience out to the rest of your life and apply it in

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other areas, like, let's say I'm having a difficult argument and

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I really just want to yell at this person, oh, I recognize that.

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I'm having that intense sensation, that urge to yell,

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I can tolerate it, and I can choose whether to engage in that or not.

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And by doing that, I can direct

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my experience, it’s like a fork in the road and if I yell at the person

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is probably going to take me down

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a route I don’t want to  go if I am able to tolerate the distress

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and make a better choice and to have a different outcome.

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And over time, those outcomes repeated consistently I am going to 

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have a different life.

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I love that, and you give our audience a picture of kundalini yoga you know,

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those who don't know exactly what that is.

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So Kundalini

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Yoga is like the kind of  the kooky kind of yoga

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most people are more familiar with, like, vinyasa yoga, flow yoga.

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You know, you go in and you do a series on poses. Ashtanga.

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Yeah.

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Kundalini has mantra and it has breathwork.

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And love mantras, you know.

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What is so interestingly, teaching Yogic philosophy is that

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the tongue is actually activating acupressure points in the palate

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that then translate to the neural activity,

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and that it also releases

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like a cascade of endocrine system, like hormones. And

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neurotransmitters is and it's fascinating to learn.

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And I don't think that the research is probably really been done to catch up

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with the philosophy from the Yogic point of view. But,

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Fascinating ideas. And so Kundalini

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might look like just sitting there and doing a mudra

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which is what I'm doing with my hands here.

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And there's lots of different kinds of mudras

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One of my favorites, it is like a silly party trick like this thing.

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For those listening , she’s 

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playing with her  fingers and

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pressing her fingers together.

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and then the various mudras

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and the various chants have certain meanings that are associated with them.

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So there's one there where you hit your hands together

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and you chant Hud and you're chanting it from,

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your solar plexus.

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And it's about power.

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And so I have a dear friend who got me into Kundalini who is passed now but who was an epic teacher.

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And he would say he would like, encouraged us to like, really show up in your power

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and like yell it. Right.

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And so you have an opportunity to go into a space and practice doing these things

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that might not feel comfortable or normal in your day to day life.

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And I mean, people screaming in Kundalini 

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Classes they’ll laugh., like anything goes.

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but it's a safe space to do that.

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And so by allowing yourself that freedom you’re sort of letting

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go of those restrictions and that rigidity, that holds so much of us in,

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like this is inappropriate, I can't do this or I'm not supposed to speak up.

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You're actually actively practicing using your voice and your power.

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And then that translates into the way that you show up in your life.

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Oh I love that.

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And I love how you use all of those disciplines to help them find their path.

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And I think that's really powerful when we actually visualize

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where we want to go as opposed to what we're afraid that is going to happen.

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And I do that.

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A lot of my clients, they always go to the worst case scenario, and

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I try to ask, what's the best case scenario

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what would you actually really like to do?

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I you give them, you know, something that they can anchor

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to and work towards. I like how you say you kind of work backwards to get there

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amazing.

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You have such a background that is just really unique.

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And on top of that, you're a singer, musician, you have an amazing voice.

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Tell us about that.

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how has that enhanced your life?

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When did you start performing music?

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How does it continue to be a part of your life?

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You do this work?

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Yeah. So music is kind of funny for me.

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Like my family on my mom's side, owned a nightclub in Nebraska

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that was Nebraska famous,  my grandfather, is in like the

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Nebraska Hall of Fame. And,

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so I had this really strange, like,

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atypical experience as a little kid in the 80s of, like,

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being let in the velvet rope and, like, taken to the back office and like,

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but somehow I grew up thinking, like, music

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wasn't like a career that you actually did.

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And, like, I don't know why I thought that.

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I don't know if it was sort of like

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my family was the business, they were the business owners.

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And so, like, the bands were, I don't know. But,

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I took piano lessons my whole life, I did like singing in school and,

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and then when I was a teenager, I got a guitar and I wanted

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electric guitar, my family got me an accoustic

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And,. They’re like, it's quieter.

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Yeah. And then

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I took a couple lessons, but the teacher, I just wasn't really vibing.

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It's not that I don't like classic rock, because I do,

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but I was like a 13 year old girl, so probably, like Spice Girls or something.

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Would have been more up my alley at the time.

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So I took a couple lessons and wasn't really feeling it,

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but then I would just stay in my room and I'd be hearing like lyrics in my head,

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and I wanted to make songs.

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So I taught myself to play guitar just by like messing around

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until I heard what I wanted to put underneath the words.

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And so I started writing songs that way.

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And then I went to college and my first quarter of college,

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I was really ambitious and too many credits, and I took this

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creative expression class that is supposed to be like a general requirement.

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And they gave us this music software and it's called Acid that nobody uses anymore.

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but I got that software and then realized, like, I'm

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not gonna be able to keep my grades up if I take this many classes.

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So I dropped the class, but then I would be late to class the entire rest

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of my college career because I would be in my dorm room

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writing songs,

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but still was like, but that's not a job

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That's just that's what I love to do.

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And then I moved to LA after college.

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which is kind of funny too, because

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I studied neuroscience in

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college and like biology, communication, nutrition and, philosophy.

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And then I was like, but what would I want to do for a job. I don’t really want to sit  at a desk.

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And I thought I could act, I could do that. I see what’s happening on the TV 

00:27:57:03 - 00:27:59:05
like, that sounds like a great,

00:27:59:05 - 00:28:02:13
like, different every day, like I get to be fit and healthy.

00:28:02:13 - 00:28:05:08
That's kind of a requirement. Like, now there was a lot to like.

00:28:05:08 - 00:28:07:03
So I moved here for that.

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And then my boyfriend at the time, like, outed of me at a Hollywood party,

00:28:10:07 - 00:28:14:02
to some music industry people, and was like, she writes songs,. And I was like, don’t tell, but do.

00:28:16:15 - 00:28:17:07
And they're like,

00:28:17:07 - 00:28:20:07
we want to hear them so I sent this like really crappy,

00:28:20:24 - 00:28:24:12
sound recorder recording of me, like, playing guitar and a woman

00:28:24:16 - 00:28:28:25
who was interested, was  the head of Los Angeles Women in Music at the time.

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And she was like, you're good.

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You should come play our showcase. And I was like.

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I’ve never performed in front of people

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So then I started doing open mikes, and,

00:28:37:01 - 00:28:39:23
that was like one thing just started leading to another with music,

00:28:39:23 - 00:28:43:02
and it was very much like it just felt meant to be.

00:28:43:27 - 00:28:46:08
And I would say in terms of, like my mental health,

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that music was like my diary.

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It was my way to process.

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And that was challenging

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because getting up on stage and sharing that felt so vulnerable.

00:28:56:14 - 00:28:59:03
But there was this part of me that, like even though I was terrified.

00:28:59:03 - 00:29:01:24
really wanted to be seen. I think.

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And then also the aspect of like writing the song

00:29:05:14 - 00:29:08:14
kind of felt like a different part of myself, a higher part of myself

00:29:09:00 - 00:29:12:07
communicating with me and like the reflection of the mirror

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almost, where once I had written the song and it was outside of me

00:29:16:07 - 00:29:19:07
and then I like recorded it, and I could listen back to it,

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then I could gain perspective and like, actually understand what I was feeling.

00:29:24:13 - 00:29:26:05
Right? And like it.

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It's been very powerful for now.

00:29:28:21 - 00:29:33:29
And so you use this in Dancing in the Kitchen and anywhere else? With your coaching clients?

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I don't

00:29:35:13 - 00:29:39:06
really use my music in the coaching program per se.

00:29:39:06 - 00:29:41:18
I mean, I'll share anecdotes.

00:29:41:18 - 00:29:43:17
I thought about maybe at some point

00:29:43:17 - 00:29:46:29
experimenting with offering something around that for people.

00:29:47:03 - 00:29:51:03
I certainly think that art and music are so therapeutic

00:29:51:03 - 00:29:52:08
and just creative expressions.

00:29:52:08 - 00:29:55:19
I encourage creativity and, people you know, pursuing whatever

00:29:56:02 - 00:29:58:12
creative pursuit like, lights them up.

00:29:58:12 - 00:30:00:12
Yes.

00:30:00:12 - 00:30:02:08
but yeah, I, I write and record songs.

00:30:02:08 - 00:30:04:17
I release them

00:30:04:17 - 00:30:07:17
you know, sync licensing, that sort of thing, I perform

00:30:08:07 - 00:30:08:24
as well.

00:30:08:24 - 00:30:10:27
So I do like motivational speaking and performing

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to sort of illustrate,

00:30:13:07 - 00:30:17:07
whatever topic I'm speaking about, basically about my recovery journey.

00:30:17:19 - 00:30:20:17
I might do a few songs that actually spotlight

00:30:20:17 - 00:30:23:17
moments, from that experience.

00:30:23:18 - 00:30:27:12
And I heard a really beautiful quote who I don't know who to attribute it to,

00:30:27:29 - 00:30:30:13
but this idea that music makes you feel a thought.

00:30:31:13 - 00:30:32:21
And so it's one thing to

00:30:32:21 - 00:30:36:02
talk about things but kind of like that somatic that we were talking about

00:30:36:02 - 00:30:40:24
earlier, music can evoke a visceral, emotional experience.

00:30:40:24 - 00:30:43:24
It can be a catharsis,  it can help you process.

00:30:44:04 - 00:30:47:07
So I feel like combining that intellectual aspect,

00:30:47:07 - 00:30:50:07
the story with the music can evoke 

00:30:50:08 - 00:30:53:08
the emotion is a really powerful healing modality.

00:30:53:17 - 00:30:56:02
I see another program coming up for you.

00:30:56:02 - 00:30:58:16
I think that that would be so powerful.

00:30:58:16 - 00:31:01:10
Well, I'm going to pick your brain some more, but we are out of time

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for this half of this episode.

00:31:04:23 - 00:31:08:13
Ashley, you are a phenom and I can't wait to join you,

00:31:08:28 - 00:31:11:24
and interview again for the next half.

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But for now, thank you so much for joining us.

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Tune in next week for the second half of this exciting interview

00:31:18:00 - 00:31:23:00
with Success Coach and Dancing in the Kitchen with TV star Ashley Miers.

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